(The Book of Revelation was the final book of the Bible. It was written by John from the island of Patmos around 96 AD. This would have been about five years after his epistles. In much the same way the Book of Daniel was the main prophetic book for those who lived during the Dispensation of the Law, this book was the main prophetic book for those who live during our current dispensation. This book had four sections relative to chronology to prophecy. The first section was made up of the first three chapters which documented events prior to the Tribulation. The second section was made up of the next three chapters which presented a big picture perspective of events in order from the beginning of the Tribulation to the end of the Tribulation. The third section was the largest and most confusing section. In twelve chapters, the events of the Tribulation were presented from several different perspectives, resulting in a layered presentation of the Tribulation. The fourth and final section consisted of four chapters that presented, in chronological order, events from the end of the Tribulation through eternity.)
(We will be using the preceding diagram to help organize the chronology of the events mentioned in the Book of Revelation (click on diagram to enlarge).
Going from left to right:
-the cross represents Jesus' crucifixion,
-the time period until the first hash mark is our current Dispensation of Grace,
-the area between the two large hash marks is the seven year Tribulation (with a small hash mark denoting the midpoint of the Tribulation),
-the period after the Tribulation is the 1000 year Millennial reign of Christ on earth (the 7th Dispensation), and
-the area after with the infinity symbol denotes eternity.
Today's post completely occurred during the first section.)
Revelation 1
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John;
2 who bare witness of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, even of all things that he saw.
(This was the revelation of Jesus Christ that was given to John to show believers the things that will come to pass. This was done by an angel. John saw everything that was in this account.)
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things that are written therein: for the time is at hand.
(This book came with a blessing!: Blessed are those who read and hear/understand (the why) the words of this prophecy and keep those things that were written within. After all, the purpose of this book was to uncover/unveil what would happen. The point of this book was that we can understand the events of this book, to the point the reader would receive a blessing. The reason this book is so difficult to understand is that it contained a tremendous amount of Doctrine and one must understand Doctrine at a high level to receive the blessing from reading this book.
In this commentary for the Book of Daniel, we stated that Daniel had the greatest understanding of Doctrine among any author of the Old Testament. Likewise, John had the greatest understanding of Doctrine among any author of the New Testament. Consequently, like Daniel, he was the author of the book with the greatest prophecies within his dispensation.)
4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from him who is and who was and who is to come; and from the seven Spirits that are before his throne;
(Doctrine: There are seven Spirits before the throne of God. Isaiah 11:2 listed the seven Spirits of God. They were the Spirit of: Jehovah, wisdom, understanding, counsel, might, knowledge, and fear of Jehovah.)
5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loveth us, and loosed us from our sins by his blood;
6 and he made us to be a kingdom, to be priests unto his God and Father; to him be the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
(John began his letter to the seven churches in Asia with a greeting from God the Father, the seven Spirits of God, and Jesus Christ.)
7 Behold, he cometh with the clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they that pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth shall mourn over him. Even so, Amen.
(Verse 7 referred to the physical coming of Christ to earth at the end of the Tribulation. John referenced Zechariah 14:1-5 and Zechariah 12:10.)
8 I am the Alpha and the Omega, saith the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
(This was stated to John by Jesus.)
9 I John, your brother and partaker with you in tribulation and kingdom and patience which are in Jesus, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
(John was exiled to the island of Patmos because of his beliefs when he received this revelation.)
10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet
(Even though John was exiled to this island, he was still in the Spirit. He heard a great voice as of a trumpet, which was Jesus.)
11 saying, What thou seest, write in a book and send it to the seven churches: unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamum, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And having turned I saw seven golden candlesticks;
(The seven gold candlesticks represented the seven churches that Jesus told John to write to.)
13 and in the midst of the candlesticks one like unto a son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about at the breasts with a golden girdle.
(Daniel saw something similar in Daniel 7:13 and Daniel 10:5-10.)
14 And his head and his hair were white as white wool, white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 and his feet like unto burnished brass, as if it had been refined in a furnace; and his voice as the voice of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth proceeded a sharp two-edged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
(The phrase "out of his mouth proceeded a sharp two-edged sword" was similar to Matthew 4:4 when Jesus referenced Deuteronomy 8:3 which stated that man lived by everything that proceeded out of the Mouth of God. In Matthew 4:4 everything was replaced by every word, and "word" was rhema. We have seen in Ephesians 6:17 that rhema, the Word of God, was the sword of the Spirit. Notice throughout this book, Jesus will fight with what proceeds out of His Mouth. Jesus will do spiritual warfare with words.)
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as one dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying, Fear not; I am the first and the last,
(Daniel responded in a similar way in Daniel 10:9.)
18 and the Living one; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.
(Doctrine: Jesus has the keys of death and Hades, which we also call hell.)
19 Write therefore the things which thou sawest, and the things which are, and the things which shall come to pass hereafter;
20 the mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks are seven churches.
(The seven stars represented the angels of seven churches. Each church had an angel.)
(Chapters 2 and 3 covered the letters John wrote to the seven churches in Asia. Each of these letters to the seven churches in Asia were similar to a performance review. We should look at what Jesus told these churches to see if we can learn what He expects out of His Church (Bride). Each of these churches were actual churches to whom John sent these writings. Also, many scholars believed each of these churches represented a "church age" during our current dispensation, with the last church (Laodicea) representing our time today. Finally, each letter followed a general structure:
-the beginning gave a description of Jesus,
-the church was told what it did well and what it did not do well, and
-the end told of a benefit to those who overcome, those that make it to eternal life.
Each section closed with the exhortation for those who have ears to hear. For the first three churches, the exhortation introduced the benefit to the overcomer.)
Revelation 2
(Verses 1-7: the church of Ephesus.)
1 To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, he that walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks:
(Description of Christ: Jesus held the seven angels in His right Hand and walked in the midst of the seven churches.)
2 I know thy works, and thy toil and patience, and that thou canst not bear evil men, and didst try them that call themselves apostles, and they are not, and didst find them false;
3 and thou hast patience and didst bear for my name's sake, and hast not grown weary.
(Did well: could not bear evil, did try (prove out) false apostles, was patient, and for Christ's name they worked and did not faint.)
4 But I have this against thee, that thou didst leave thy first love.
(Did not do well: they did leave their first love, which was the First Command. The word Ephesus came from "permitted, to let go, relax." In this sentence, "first love" meant the emotion and desire one has when they first fall in love.)
5 Remember therefore whence thou art fallen, and repent and do the first works; or else I come to thee, and will move thy candlestick out of its place, except thou repent.
(They were warned to repent or Jesus would remove that church.)
6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
(They did not follow the works of the Nicolaitans. The Nicolaitans were a gnostic sect. They believed they had special revelation that was not possessed by others. This special revelation introduced new doctrine, contradicting God's Doctrine, that allowed them to do whatever they felt like doing. It also created a hierarchy within the church: those with the special revelation ruled over everyone else instead of serving. Jesus was pleased with this church because they knew God's Doctrine, not only to the point they resisted the Nicolaitans, but they were also able to try (prove out) false apostles.)
7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches. To him that overcometh, to him will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the Paradise of God.
(Those who overcome: will eat of the tree of life in the midst of the paradise of God.)
(As it related to our dispensation, the church in Ephesus represented the time from Christ's resurrection to about 200 AD. Notice, the emphasis on focusing on God (First Command) and knowing God's Doctrine. The church during the first church age did know its Doctrine, but it focused on the effects more than the cause, which was the First Command.)
(Verses 8-11: the church in Smyrna.)
8 And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These things saith the first and the last, who was dead, and lived again:
(Description of Christ: Jesus is the first and last who was dead and is now alive.)
9 I know thy tribulation, and thy poverty (but thou art rich), and the blasphemy of them that say they are Jews, and they art not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
(Did well: Their works, tribulation, and poverty were known. Some Jews there only said they were Jews but were actually of the synagogue of Satan.)
10 Fear not the things which thou art about to suffer: behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days. Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee the crown of life.
(Did not do well: There was nothing that this church did wrong. Instead, they got an exhortation concerning impending difficulties: Do not fear suffering; there will be persecution. Be faithful to death and you will receive life. The word Smyrna was a derivative of myrrh which meant "bitter.")
11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches. He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
(Those who overcome: will not be hurt of the second death (see Revelation 20:14).)
(As it related to our dispensation, the church in Smyrna represented the time from around 200 AD to around 325 AD. The church was persecuted by Rome right up to rise of Constantine in 313 AD.)
(Verses 12-17: the church in Pergamum.)
12 and to the angel of the church in Pergamum write: These things saith he that hath the sharp two-edged sword:
(Description of Christ: Jesus has the sharp sword with two edges, the rhema: the powerful and revelatory Word of God without precedent.)
13 I know where thou dwellest, even where Satan's throne is; and thou holdest fast my name, and didst not deny my faith, even in the days of Antipas my witness, my faithful one, who was killed among you, where Satan dwelleth.
(Did well: They held fast to Jesus' name and did not deny the faith even during martyrdom. The word Pergamum meant "height, elevation.")
14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there some that hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit fornication.
(Did not do well: they held doctrine of Balaam, which meant they supplied their own how/why, which sounded a lot like...)
15 So hast thou also some that hold the teaching of the Nicolaitans in like manner.
(The Nicolaitans supplied their own how/why to justify their man-made doctrine that contradicted God's Doctrine.)
16 Repent therefore; or else I come to thee quickly, and I will make war against them with the sword of my mouth.
(They were commanded to repent or Jesus would come quickly and fight against them with the sword of Jesus' Mouth, which is God's Word. How much more proof do you need to understand that spiritual warfare is not physical but is done by words and sentences?)
17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches. To him that overcometh, to him will I give of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and upon the stone a new name written, which no one knoweth but he that receiveth it.
(Those who overcome: will eat hidden manna and will receive a white stone with a new name which only the man receiving will know. This "new name" will be the name of who you ARE, who God created you to BE. The word name meant "cause." Who you ARE is the cause of who God created you to BE.)
(As it related to our dispensation, the church in Pergamum represented the time from around 325 AD to around 600 AD. Constantine declared himself a defender of Christianity. While this seemed like a victory for Christianity, it actually resulted in Christianity being institutionalized. In the process of making Christianity available to the masses, it was infused with pagan practices, including hierarchy. Christianity had a good appearance (right what), however the doctrines (how/why) were not completely from God.)
(Verses 18-29: the church in Thyatira.)
18 And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write: These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like a flame of fire, and his feet are like unto burnished brass:
(Description of Christ: Jesus has Eyes like a flame of fire and Feet of burnished (fine) brass.)
19 I know thy works, and thy love and faith and ministry and patience, and that thy last works are more than the first.
(Did well: Their works, love, service, faith, patience, and humility were known.)
20 But I have this against thee, that thou sufferest the woman Jezebel, who calleth herself a prophetess; and she teacheth and seduceth my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed to idols.
(Did not do well: permitting Jezebel who facilitated fornication.
Note: This Jezebel in Revelation was someone that was living at that time, not the Jezebel from the Old Testament. Notice, the name Thyatira meant "dominating female.")
21 And I gave her time that she should repent; and she willeth not to repent of her fornication.
22 Behold, I cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of her works.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he that searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto each one of you according to your works.
(In verse 23, reins referred to kidneys, meaning the inner most part of the mind.)
24 But to you I say, to the rest that are in Thyatira, as many as have not this teaching, who know not the deep things of Satan, as they are wont to say; I cast upon you none other burden.
(Again, this church was dealing with man-made doctrine. We should know the depths of Satan.)
25 Nevertheless that which ye have, hold fast till I come.
26 And he that overcometh, and he that keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give authority over the nations:
(Those who overcome: will receive authority over the nations.)
27 and he shall rule them with a rod of iron, as the vessels of the potter are broken to shivers; as I also have received of my Father:
28 and I will give him the morning star.
(The "morning star" referred to Jesus.)
29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches.
(As it related to our dispensation, the church in Thyatira represented the time from around 600 AD to around 1500 AD. This period covered the Dark Ages. Some people believed the dominating female of this time period was the Catholic Church which they believe was the same as the Mystery of Babylon. In 607 AD, Boniface III was recognized as the first universal Pope. The Inquisition began in 1184.)
Revelation 3
(Verses 1-6: the church in Sardis.)
1 And to the angel of the church in Sardis write: These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars: I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and thou art dead.
(Description of Christ: Jesus has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars. Sardis lived (physically) but was dead (spiritually). The word Sardis meant "red." It also had a derivation sardonic that meant "ironically humorous, scornful and mocking, in a sarcastic manner." This church had the reputation (man's perspective) of being alive, but actually (God's perspective) they were dead. This church had a right what with a wrong (or no) how/why.)
2 Be thou watchful, and establish the things that remain, which were ready to die: for I have found no works of thine perfected before my God.
(Did well: nothing.)
(Did not do well: No works of theirs were perfected: were increased because of a right how/why. They had some things (what's) that remained. This church got a warning to be watchful and establish what they had not completely lost.)
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and didst hear; and keep it, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
(This church was told to repent after remembering what they had originally received and heard. Continuing not to remember and repent would cause this church not to be aware when Jesus came back.)
4 But thou hast a few names in Sardis that did not defile their garments: and they shall walk with me in white; for they are worthy.
(A few individuals in Sardis were not defiled.)
5 He that overcometh shall thus be arrayed in white garments; and I will in no wise blot his name out of the book of life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
(Those who overcome: will be clothed in white raiment and will not be blotted out of the book of life (Salvation) but Jesus will confess their name before the Father and before His angels.)
(As it related to our dispensation, the church in Sardis represented the time from around 1500 AD to around 1700 AD. This was the time of Martin Luther and John Calvin, two men who even today have "a name that livest":
-Martin Luther taught the man-made doctrine of grace: "unmerited favor."
-John Calvin taught the same religion of the Pharisees and Nicolaitans: A right what with a contradictory how/why that was not supported by God's Word. Like Mormons and Muslims, John Calvin combined the Dispensation of the Law with the current Dispensation of Grace.
Both of these men introduced man-made doctrines that compromised the Doctrine of Salvation.)
6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches.
(Verses 7-13: the church in Philadelphia.)
7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth and none shall shut, and that shutteth and none openeth:
(Description of Christ: Jesus is holy, true, hath the key of David, and He openeth and shutteth. The "key of David" had to do with the coming Kingdom of God. The part about Jesus opening and shutting had to do with the final judgment. The "door" is open now, once the final judgment is complete, the "door" will be shut.)
8 I know thy works (behold, I have set before thee a door opened, which none can shut), that thou hast a little power, and didst keep my word, and didst not deny my name.
(Did well: More about the door, this church did two things well, but they were really good things: they kept the Word and they did not deny Jesus' Name.)
(Did not do well: Nothing? The next verses spoke of benefits.)
9 Behold, I give of the synagogue of Satan, of them that say they are Jews, and they are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
(The unbelievers who claimed to be believers would bow down before this church. This didn't mean that they would be worshipping people but that they would be worshipping in front of people. Ultimately, this was in tandem with these people seeing the love Christ had for this church.)
10 Because thou didst keep the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of trial, that hour which is to come upon the whole world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
(The hour of temptation will be an extended period of time, the Tribulation. This verse referred to the pre-Tribulation Rapture of Christians.)
11 I come quickly: hold fast that which thou hast, that no one take thy crown.
(Notice, if no one is able to forfeit their Salvation ("thy crown") then why would people have to be told to hold fast so that no one took their Salvation? Again, this was another example that God provided everything for Salvation, but it is the responsibility of the individual to attain it and walk in it.)
12 He that overcometh, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go out thence no more: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God, and mine own new name.
(Those who overcome: will be made a pillar in the temple of the Father and will go no more out and will have written on them the Name of God and the name of His city - the new Jerusalem.)
(As it related to our dispensation, the church in Philadelphia represented the time from around 1700 AD to around 1900 AD. This time period was one of "brotherly love" (meaning of Philadelphia) in the church, especially in America with the Great Awakenings. Believers loving believers led to a great revival.)
13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches.
(Verses 14-22: the church in Laodicea.)
14 And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God:
(Description of Christ: Jesus is the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God.)
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
(Did well: Nothing.)
(Did not do well: Jesus wanted them to go COLD or HOT. The terms "cold" and "hot" were directional. Go hard one way or the other; state your will; God will correct you if you are wrong. Being LUKEWARM was not stating your will and remaining under mercy.
God responds through Justice to a person who is gaining or losing value. This means that God cannot respond to a person who is doing nothing and remaining under mercy. The individual ought to go towards what they believe is right, believing it is HOT, and then be willing to find out if it was COLD or HOT based on God's response.
Some people try to say COLD and HOT are both good, that cold water refreshes and hot water soothes. They are not both good, otherwise Jesus would not have had to make the obvious point that He would that we were good. Jesus stated He would that we either made progress the right way (so His Will could be done through us) or we made progress the wrong way (so He could correct us through Justice, which would eventually be for our good).)
16 So because thou art lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spew thee out of my mouth.
(This church was lukewarm. They did not state their will. Lukewarm is spewed (vomited) out of Jesus Mouth (the place of creation). This statement was more extreme than it reads to most people. It would be as if Jesus emphatically stated about LUKEWARM people, "You make me SICK!!"
Many people are deceived by thinking LUKEWARM is better than COLD. This is comparative thinking. Believing that as long as you are not a murderer, you are a "good" person and God will let you attain Salvation is deception. Actually, Jesus would rather you be COLD than LUKEWARM because He cannot do anything with a person who is LUKEWARM.)
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and have gotten riches, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art the wretched one and miserable and poor and blind and naked:
(This church was focused on the physical. They were satisfied with their physical wealth and declared they were in need of nothing (pride), they did not need to state their will and progress towards anything because they were satisfied.)
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold refined by fire, that thou mayest become rich; and white garments, that thou mayest clothe thyself, and that the shame of thy nakedness be not made manifest; and eyesalve to anoint thine eyes, that thou mayest see.
(They should "buy" (an exchange of value) gold tried by fire from Jesus that they would be spiritually rich, "buy" white raiment to cover their sin, and anoint their eyes so they could see. The first step towards making progress is to be aware, to see. The first step for this church is to become aware of their true spiritual condition: poor, naked, and blind.)
19 As many as I love, I reprove and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
(Those Jesus loves He rebukes and chastens. Jesus told this church to be zealous (get some energy so they could make progress) and repent which meant turn and make progress in the other way.)
20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock: if any man hear my voice and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
(Doctrine: Jesus is knocking on our doors.
Doctrine: It is up to us to choose to open it.
Doctrine: If we do, Jesus will dine with us. Jesus loves to eat.)
21 He that overcometh, I will give to him to sit down with me in my throne, as I also overcame, and sat down with my Father in his throne.
(Those who overcome: will be granted to sit with Jesus on His throne.)
(As it related to our dispensation, the church in Laodecia represented the time from around 1900 AD through today and to the end of our dispensation. Today, the church is LUKEWARM. In fact, many churches and "Christian" authors justify being LUKEWARM. It is very difficult to get "Christians" to state their will and share the definitions for the words they use. The church today needs to recognize its true spiritual condition and repent. Periods of satisfaction and inactivity will occur to those who follow periods of tremendous growth (Philadelphia Age) by allowing their flesh to convince them they deserve a break.)
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches.
(This ended the first section of the Book of Revelation that focused on the seven churches in Asia and the events prior to the Tribulation. Revelation chapters 1, 2, and 3 all occurred in the first section of the diagram (click on diagram to enlarge).)
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27 and he shall rule them with a rod of iron, as the vessels of the potter are broken to shivers; as I also have received of my Father:
ReplyDelete28 and I will give him the morning star.
From chapter 2
what does "as the vessels of the potter are broken to shivers mean?" Was this talking about Christ dying for us? And how does this correlate with the ruling with a rod of Iron?
nathan wayne
Nathan, this quote was from the letter to the church of Thyatira. Verse 26 stated: "And he that overcometh, and he that keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give authority over the nations:"
ReplyDeleteThe line you referenced from vs. 27 is concerning the people that the overcomers will rule. The people "broken to shivers" will be people that deny God: The Potter. Being "broken" will be part of their judgment.
Good Question!
Hi Joel,
ReplyDeleteSome initial thoughts on this first section of Revelation…
“Revelation 1
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him”
I think the significance of this point is often overlooked. This book documents a conversation between the Father and the Son (that John gets to “eavesdrop” on and we are allowed to be privy to). Therefore we need to keep some things in mind as we read it.
1. This is a conversation occurring between beings who occupy eternity. In eternity, linier time is meaningless. There is no past or present, everything is in a state of “now”. All of the events of time are “happening” simultaneously (Chapters 12-13 are a GREAT example of this).
2. The fact that God has to reveal these things to Jesus obviously means that Jesus didn’t know them at some point (Mark 13:32). Therefore the “timeframe” for this conversation must have been after Christ’s ascension after the resurrection (but again, time is irrelevant in eternity so the conversation is always happening).
3. Rev 1:1 says the revelation was “signified” by an angel to John. “Signified” means the eternal conversation between Jesus and God was “rendered” into signs so that John’s linier, human mind (and ours) could grasp it. One of my biggest challenges with Revelation is understanding what is physically literal and what is symbolic of something else.
One of my favorite Bible commentators often says that “Revelation is written in code, and that code is the rest of the Bible”. In other words, understanding the rest of the ENTIRE Bible is the key to understanding this book. I think that may be part of the “blessing” promised to readers is that those who understand Revelation MUST come to an understanding of the rest Bible first and Revelation will complete their understanding. If you look, you will see connotative and denotative references to every book in the Bible in Revelation.
(Continued below)
A few notes about the seven churches:
ReplyDeleteIts interesting that the only cities still in existence are those of whom Jesus only spoke well and did not promise any negative retribution - Smyrna and Philadelphia (the Turkish cities of Izmir and Alasehir).
Another thing to note is that in the first three letters, the promise to the overcomers is placed AFTER the "he who has an ear" salutation. Almost as an after-the-fact postscript. In the last four letters, the promise comes BEFORE the salutation. I honestly don't know if there's any real significance to this fact, but could it mean that those four types of churches (Catholic/Idolterous, Calvinist/Comparative, Loving/Righteous, and Lukewarm/Relativistic) will still be in existence at the time of the dispensation of grace?
I’ve also heard Ephesus translated as “beloved one” or “desired one”. In other Bible translations, the third church is called “Pergamos”, a combination of the words “Pergos” (which means married) and “Gamos” (which means “high place”). So this church was “married (joined itself) to the high place (indicative of idolatry)”
In Thyatira, I think the reference to Jezebel is indeed intended to denote the spirit and actions of the evil queen who married King Ahab of ancient Israel, especially if the connection to Catholicism is valid. Jezebel brought idolatry to God’s people. Her idolatry was specifically a derivative of the “mother-child” worship and priesthood started by Semiramis in Babel and adopted by other world religions and eventually the Roman Church who renamed them “Mary” and “Jesus”. Also Jezebel is famous for robbing a citizen of the kingdom of a vineyard coveted by Ahab by falsely accusing him of blasphemy, hiring false witnesses to corroborate the lie, then putting him to death and turning his property over to “the state”. This practice was a common modus operandi during the inquisitions.
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Laodicea is also very interesting. First, its name literally means “ruled by the people” or “decisions by the people”. Meaning that man’s decisions define this church (and its doctrine), not God. Furthermore, Jesus took many of the things that the city was famous for and used wordplay to specifically contrast their supposed state with their actual state (which was needed for a people who were so accustomed to comparative thinking)
ReplyDelete1. Laodicea had no native water supply. The city was located between Hierapolis, known for their medicinal HOT springs at a higher elevation, and Colossae, known for their COLD water reserves at a lower elevation. Laodicea piped their water from a hot spring at the higher elevation 5 miles away. By the time it arrived at the city, it was LUKEWARM! Drinking too much of this lukewarm mineral water at once would cause vomiting! It had to be heater or cooled to be consumed
2. Laodicea was a very wealthy city due mostly to a local breed of sheep which produced a highly prized lustrous black wool. Residents (including members of the church I’d image) wore clothing made of the wool as a status symbol. (The equivalent of “prosperity preachers” in their “holy” Rolls Royce’s and members “dressing up” for church?). Yet Jesus contrasted this and told them that while they thought they were rich and well dressed, they were actually “poor, naked, and wretched”. The needed to buy gold from Him (instead of their own) and white garments (contrasted with the black ones) to cover their spiritual nakedness.
3. Laodicea was a center of medicine known particularly for a poultice widely sought for eye ailments. Jesus contrasted this by telling them that they were blind without eye salve from Him
Lastly, I’ve often heard ministers use the “Behold, I stand at the door and knock” verse as an invitation to accept Christ (and I don’t have a problem with that per se), but seen in context, that verse is a scathing indictment of the Laodicean church. Where is Jesus in relation to the church? OUTSIDE, asking to be allowed to come in and be a part of the church! But the door is closed to Him and the church can’t even hear Him! Its gets to the point where He is no longer even appealing to the organized church anymore. His appeal is directed to any INDIVIDUAL in the church who is still able to hear Him! (if ANY man hear my voice…). How close are we to that state of affairs? Are we already there? Is today’s church willing/able to hear the voice of Jesus/Righteousness/contrastive thinking? How close are we to the end of this dispensation? (My answer? “Any day now”).
Ed
Hello Ed, Thanks again for your comments. I do have one question about your comments regarding Rev. 1:1--- You wrote:
ReplyDelete"1. This is a conversation occurring between beings who occupy eternity. In eternity, linier time is meaningless. There is no past or present, everything is in a state of “now”. All of the events of time are “happening” simultaneously (Chapters 12-13 are a GREAT example of this)."
Does this mean that God and Jesus are still having this conversation today?
Hi Joel,
ReplyDeleteTechnically yes, the conversation is still happening, but keep in mind that the phrase “still happening” denotes linear time.
The concept of eternity is VERY difficult for beings who experience linear time to grasp. It would be like trying to describe a 3-dimentional universe to a being that only exists in a flat, 2-dimensional world. They could not directly grasp the concept of depth because they have no physical reference for it. You could only attempt to explain it by inference and/or using abstract 2-dimentional symbology.
I think it’s the same for God when He tries to help us understand eternity. I believe that the closest we come to experiencing the “physics” of eternity (everything in a constant state of “happening”) is through stories. Take a moment and think about the Star Wars saga. Will it take you 11 hours to think about it in “real’” linear time? Or did you just see the whole story – from Anakin, to Vader, to Luke, back to Anakin – all happening at once in a moment (in a “now”)? I think that is why stories resonate with us so deeply – they speak to our eternal spirits (Ecc 3:11).
I’ll get to this more when I comment on Chapters 12 and 13 because those chapters seem to be John momentarily experiencing eternity rendered into stories. The woman clothed in the Sun and stars is Israel all at once (no linear digression into the history of the nation from Abraham to the Exodus), she is giving birth to a child who is also a man who has a ruling scepter while she runs from a dragon who is trying to devour the man/child while tormenting the woman and drawing a 3rd of the stars of heaven down to earth. That’s 6000 years of linear history all told in a story that occurs in a moment. I think John attempts to describe it in a linear fashion for the sake of the reader
So yes, the conversation is happening now. As is everything else that has ever occurred from God’s perspective is “happening now”. This is how Jesus can be seen as a slain lamb in Rev 5 AND be called the lamb slain from the foundation of the world in Rev 13. His death is happening until all sins (including the ones I commit tomorrow and next month) are paid for. – Food for thought; if Jesus died for ALL sin on Calvary, if I choose to sin less, can I deliberately lessen what He suffered 2000 years ago? Conversely, if I choose to deliberately sin more, am I increasing his suffering?
Anyway, I hope that helps with your question
Ed
Ed, If this "conversation" is still happening, then how do you explain:
ReplyDeleteJohn 14:1-2 - "2 In my Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I come again, and will receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."
Jesus is preparing a house for His bride, a bride that does not yet fully exist. Did Jesus start preparing this house before the 6 days of creation?
Heb 12:2 - "looking unto Jesus the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising shame, and hath sat down at the right hand of the throne of God."
There was a joy set "before" Jesus...this joy had and has NOT happened yet.
Rev 8:1- "And when he opened the seventh seal, there followed a silence in heaven about the space of half an hour."
There will be silence in heaven for 1/2 an hour. Wouldn't this mean there is/was always silence?
Lastly, why doesn't Jesus know the hour and the day? (Matt 24:36)
Joel
Hello Ed, I wanted to address this comment as well: "Food for thought; if Jesus died for ALL sin on Calvary, if I choose to sin less, can I deliberately lessen what He suffered 2000 years ago? Conversely, if I choose to deliberately sin more, am I increasing his suffering?"
ReplyDeleteJesus lived a perfect life without sin and died unjustly. The value He received for this is INFINITE. This is enough value to cover EVERY sin EVER committed against God.
It’s all a matter of the perspective you are able to comprehend. God can comprehend both eternity AND linear time since He is “a level up” the temporal ladder from us. Just like we can comprehend the 3-dimentional world we occupy AND 2-dimentional concepts that are a level below us. We can comprehend linear time, but can only conceive of eternity in the abstract. It looks like you are trying to reconcile the two “cleanly” (in a liner fashion), and I don’t think that’s possible. Its like what scientist Richard Feynman said about quantum physics, “Of all the theories proposed in [the 20th Century], the silliest is Quantum theory…the only thing that Quantum theory has going for it, in fact, is that it is unquestionably correct.” Eternity is inconceivable from a linear perspective. The only thing we can say about it is that it is correct.
ReplyDeleteThe conversation is “happening” in the same way that the scene in Rev 12 is “happening” - as a story told in a moment that represents many liner years. From our perspective, the conversation “happened” after the ascension, but from the eternal perspective, there is no “after”. Its just part of the eternal “story”.
When Jesus was incarnated in the flesh 2000 years ago, he was subject to linear time (He had physical mass like we do). So He spoke about things in a linear way. He said He “would go” to prepare a place for us, because from His perspective at that time, it was a future event. I also think Paul was speaking about Jesus in his physical incarnation in Heb 12:2 (remember Paul wanted us to use Jesus as an example of how we should conduct ourselves as human beings, so it would make sense to use Jesus’ human incarnation as an example)
The silence in Heaven for half an hour was from John’s perspective. The emphasis would have been lost if it happened in a moment. The goal of Revelation was for us linear-bound humans to understand it.
Jesus did not know the day or the hour because He did not retain his eternal knowledge during the incarnation. The Bible says that He “GREW in knowledge and favor with God and men”. So He didn’t know the complexities of the universe as an infant. God gave Him knowledge gradually as He grew. By the time of the Olivet Discourse, God had not yet revealed the day and hour of the second coming to Him. When He ascended back to Heaven, Jesus got a knowledge “download” - part of which we see in Revelation.
Re: the cross; I understand that Jesus had the value to redeem us, I was speaking of the judgment of sin and the suffering that He was required to endure on our behalf.
Ed
Ed,
ReplyDeleteI gave you three verses that in some way show that there is linear time in eternity.
In John 14:1-2 Jesus did say He would go and prepare a place for His bride while He was on earth. However, right NOW He IS CURRENTLY preparing this place...a place that He was NOT preparing before He came to earth.
Regarding Rev 8:1, this does NOT say it was from John's perspective, you did. If this is true, is it true for ALL of the Book of Revelation? What is your measure for whose perspective we are reading?
To bring this all back to the beginning of this interaction, one thing you stated after your analogy of the 3D world vs. the 2D world was: "I think it’s the same for God when He tries to help us understand eternity."
Where is your scripture supporting God trying to help us understand eternity concerning time?
Where is your scripture supporting linear time being "meaningless" in eternity?
Joel
Joel,
ReplyDeleteI’ve given you my reasoning (my WHY) for the 3 verses you gave. That’s pretty much all I can do. If you disagree with my reasoning (which you seem to) I don’t have a problem with that because I’m not looking for agreement, I’m hoping for understanding, and to add value to your blog.
I can’t point you to a verse that says verbatim “Eternity is a state of timelessness and God uses stories to help us understand it” any more that I can show you a verse that’s says “God is triune and the three person’s are called Father, Son, and Holy Spirit”. But like the Trinity, my theory on eternity can be supported through inference. There are several passages to show God does not experience time in the same linear manner that we do, My theories on Eternity come from:
1. My study and understanding of the Biblical narrative to date
2. My understanding of quantum and temporal science
3. Deductive reasoning
4. Creative and abstract application of the above
Could my theories be wrong? Absolutely! My understanding is a work in progress and will be until I take my last breath on earth. My goal until then is to use the four points above to present my reasoning to others and then try to grow from the interaction. That is what I’ve attempted to do in the comments I’ve provided. (And to provide clarity on one of the points you raised, I absolutely think that the book of Revelation was written from John’s perspective. John was told to write what HE SAW).
Here’s my question: Do you want me to provide you more scripture references to the way God experiences time because you don’t fully understand my position, or do you want to challenge my scriptural support into to prove me wrong and/or prove yourself right? If it’s the former, then I will do some research and provide you with scriptures in the next few days. However, if it’s the latter, then I’m not really interested in having a “scripture duel” because, as I said, I’m not trying to be “right”. I’m trying to grow.
Ed
Ed, my objective has been to understand the Bible more and you more. I would like more scripture references regarding how God experiences time. Your comments have been valuable to this blog and I would like them to continue.
ReplyDeleteSidenote: There may not be a verse that explains the Trinity in the way you stated but the record of Jesus' baptism does show each part of the Trinity very clearly. For example: Matthew 3:16-17 states - "16 And Jesus when he was baptized, went up straightway from the water: and lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him;
17 and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
Jesus (the Son) saw the Spirit of God (the Holy Spirit) and heard a voice from the heavens (the Father).
Fair enough. Here are some verses that I think show God does not experience time n the same way we do.
ReplyDeleteIsaiah 57:15
For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy: I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite.
This verse shows that God’s habitation is “eternity”.
Ecclesiastes 3:10-12
I have seen the travail which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised therewith. He hath made everything beautiful in its time: also he hath set eternity in their heart, yet so that man cannot find out the work that God hath done from the beginning even to the end.
This verse contrasts linear time with eternity.
2 Peter 3:7-9
but the heavens that now are, and the earth, by the same word have been stored up for fire, being reserved against the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
But forget not this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
This verse shows that God’s perspective f time is different than man’s
Isaiah 46:9-11
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me; declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done; saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure;
This verse shows God’s unique ability to see time.
Admittedly, most of my understanding of eternity comes from physics. Special relativity demonstrates that only objects with mass are subject to linear time. God is spirit. Spirit has no mass. Therefore God is not subject to time. It stands to reason that God’s “habitation” is also not subject to time.
I suppose its entirely possible that a being in eternity could CHOOSE to experience linear time for an indeterminate period. So I guess it does not have to be exclusively one or the other.
Ed
Thanks for sharing Ed. Please keep sharing your thoughts and beliefs.
ReplyDeleteAssuming that I understand the discussion correctly, it feels like the discussion is between two sides: God OUTSIDE of time vs. God NOT outside of time.
ReplyDeleteTitus 1:2 and Hebrews 6:18 both explicitly state that God cannot lie. That God does not have the causes within Him to be capable of lying.
Ed, can you explain how God can be outside of time, and NOT lie, when Jeremiah 19:3-5 says that the evil sacrifices of Israel “did not enter His mind”?
With regards to 2nd Kings 20:1-6, can you explain how God would have been speaking Truth when He said “You shalt die and not live”, with respect to the illness, IF He knew Hezekiah would LIVE, IF He were outside of Time/experiencing Eternity?
Andy